Break and exit, loosing teeth, getting dentures

[LadyB]

Magic bag? Explain Magic bag...
And yes, is it not ASTONISHING just how much SLEEP is required to recover from sieges like this. I slept pretty much for 3 whole days. Finally stayed relatively upright on the fourth, got back to work on the fifth.

There's a thread in Herbal Med Chest on inventing a SplendidRinse that would broadly address all manner of extractions/surgeries at the request of the Denturist who's working on my NOW. Innnnnteresting input.

I tried some propolis tincture in water as a rinse as the floor of my mouth JUST hasn't healed yet. The left side (MUCH smaller torus) seems pretty ok, but the right side is still STRANGE and the hematoma persists. Looks like I WON'T be able to have new impressions taken on Thursday (sigh)

But I ate buttered TOAST this morning! (life's little victories). It's just AMAZING how much WORK one's tongue has to do in order for us to EAT.

On and onnnnnn
LadyB

[cataway]

Magic bag is just a cotton sack filled with what appears to be oats or something like that, you put it in the microwave for 2 minutes and use it like a hot water bottle, you can make your own by putting rice in a sock and knotting it off. I think those without the nuker could just heat the grains in the oven or in a pan on top of the stove and then pour it into the sock, also wondering if very small smooth gravel heated on the stove would hold heat longer I plan on playing with that idea some more.

[LadyB]

Ahhhh.
Being one who nukes not, I have heated SALT in a frying pan and poured it into said sock and knotted it. Holds heat well.
LadyB

[LadyB]

Eeeeeeegads Just had my ONE WEEK POST OP check and things are 'normal-ish' for the extensive surgery I had done, but still not so good. I've got some serious WORK to do here. I need to grow new skin and FAST before the bone gets any idea about filling the space. I also have to SHRINK this excess tissue under my tongue, or they'll have to laser it down for me....

SO.....White Oak bark is going INTO the mouthrinse which now has a COMFREY base with Myrrh tincture and Calendula tincture and Yarrow tincture and salt. I try to HOLD it on the right jaw as long as I can. Or maybe I SHOULDN'T use the White Oak Bark as I remember Matthew Wood saying that was capable of re-building jawbone. I was thinking about the tightening the gums thing.

And STILL >>NOTHING CRUNCHY<<!!!!! That was an ORDER! Nothing at all that might scratch the floor of my mouth as things are very FRAGILE down there right now. The white edge that I thought was just dead skin is actually EXPOSED BONE. (like I said, eeeeeegads )

But at least I can get the OLD denture in and talk with it in (but STILL can't eat in it) so at least I can give my herb class tonite without scaring anybody.

I told my denturist that I still feel like the 'destruction' part of This Olde House. I hope we get to rebuilding me soon. SIGH

So I have a week to work on this on my own. If I can't do it, the surgeon will laser out the excess tissue and then denturist will be able to take impressions at the same time and I'll have a new temporary the following day.

For real. Talk about The NeverEnding Story.......argh
LadyB

[Greenstone]

LadyB - Can you add Chickweed to your diet yet? The juice on your surgery site might really help with healing, and of course she's good after-trauma nourishment. I would certainly think that cycles of stress and disease can contribute to teeth issues. The meridians are linked to specific teeth, and I know that when people have a shock, their teeth often ache or hurt afterward. You are being very brave, but you really have been through a lot. So what about Rescue Remedy for awhile? Just a thought.

[LadyB]

Hi greenstone, Chickweed I've got, though not feeling REALLY pulled in that direction. I've been working with Comfrey. Made the simmer-infused oil and have been putting THAT directly on the spot where the bone is still exposed and also made yet another GLORIOUS GOO using Comfrey decoction mixed with Slippery Elm powder and globbed some of THAT on (oy, LOVELY texture THAT had .....) and the gum tissue already seems thicker. I also 'poulticed' the gum with the Comfrey leaf squeezin's from the infusion.

I tend to think of Rescue Remedy for the ACUTE phase of stress and trauma. I'm still doing Astragalus daily and some Yarrow to try to ABSORB the excess tissue under my tongue.

Matthew Wood told me that Plantain will rather 'incarnate' new skin, I didn't know that.

SLEEP is still a very serious necessity....I can hardly stay up 'til 10 and I sleep right through to 6am.

I'm glad I can get the OLD denture in and stand it, but I still have to take it out to EAT. I'm PRETTY much back to eating normally (though nothing HYSTERICALLY crunchy).

Yeah, this has been one for the BOOKS alright......Though I never really wanted to go through that door, I can't wait to JOIN the however many MILLIONs of folks who have dentures and just don't give them a second thought...... sigh.

LadyB

[Greenstone]

RR & Chickweed - I understand. You know what will help most, and the important thing is that you listen to your deepest self. Maybe there are other flower essences that can help you engage the energy.

Matthew Wood told me that Plantain will rather 'incarnate' new skin, I didn't know that.

I didn't know that either. Learning from this, I am. I have plantain in abundance this year and have oils brewing right now, but won't be ready for 5 weeks. If you need fresh plantain I can overnight some to you any time. Just let me know if I can help.

It's good that Comfrey is helping, but will that cause the tori to re-establish themselves? I'm always concerned because the allantoin in comfrey is such a cell reproduction stimulator. Especially with bone. (I have used it for 3 decades to help knit bone hurt in athletic injuries.) I have small tori, and have heard from alt dental sources that they can be caused by clenching teeth under stress (I do!!). I don't know, but when I heard that , I began working on the energy aspect, and my clenching and tori growth have decreased.

SLEEP is still a very serious necessity....I can hardly stay up 'til 10 and I sleep right through to 6am.

That's only 8 hours -- not excessive! When I was under duress biologically, I found that not only HOW MUCH was important -- ten hours!:? -- but also from WHAT TIME to what time. For me it was 11:00 PM to 9 :30 AM, and I would always wake up for a half hour at 4 AM. Later when I learned about the clock that our meridians are set to, it all made sense. So I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you have to go to bed and wake up at certain times of day or night, if you can allow it, then that too is part of the healing.

I am so interested in this thread, and your other one about herbal rinses. My brother is a dental surgeon with a heavy leaning toward nourishment (over drugs); and I narrowly escaped serious teeth issues I think, because I was poor at the time and actually got better help from the dentist because of that. Healing teeth is the LAST thing I would think would catch my attention, but lately it has, because it affects the whole body so much.

[LadyB]

Interesting. I'm incapable of sleeping 'late' in the morning. 5am is early, 6 am is civilized, 7 am and I'm probably SICK. I never set an alarm.

One night recently, the one where I finally HAD the old denture in for the first time in weeks but certainly don't sleep in it, I woke up realizing I had been clenching my back teeth during the night. Not good.

I think of Comfrey as sealing SKIN together SO quickly that it's not recommended for deep cuts as it will heal them too quickly on the top. My experience with Plantain is that it was a slower, more complete skin healer.

Lots of theories on the tori....lack of Magnesium allowing calcium to 'deposit' in weird extra growths, stress, a real stretch about how deer REQUIRE the spirochetes to initiate antler growth...therefore....those of us who had Lyme for years.....(don't even want to GO there...am I growing ANTLERS????) Did you know that 30% of the world population has tori, but 60% of all ESKIMOS do???? Let's work on THAT one!!

I am aware of my body being just more fragile lately. I simply cannot STAND getting cold these days. I don't know how my body will handle the coming, sudden HEAT....we could hit 89* by Thursday after still having mornings in the high 30's.

I've got Plantain PLANTS here, (and I do thank you for the offer ) but I was looking for already tinctured leaves without waiting for 6 more weeks.

Onward I chomp......
LadyB

[Greenstone]

I'm glad you didn't laugh when I offered to send fresh herbs in the mail. (It works with the less fragile broad leaves.) Wish I had some plantain tincture. I didn't know about the role of spirochetes in antler formation. Antlers. Hmmmmm. Any Eskimo ancestry?

I am aware of my body being just more fragile lately.

I had a car wreck about 8 years ago, and for awhile after that I felt fragile, even though I'd been in good shape until then. I didn't tolerate heat or cold well, and had to eat just-so. The good news is, once I healed up (which took 2 years), I got my resilience back. Back to dancing, camping and all the rest, even though it took awhile to get there. We're near the same age. I bet it doesn't take you too long. Here's hoping!

I'm out of time tonight, but I have some thoughts about things dental I'll post later in response to some of your reflections.

Keep healing!

[LadyB]

Dateline, May 24, 2008....she's SMILING

The answer to all THIS, folks, is to FIND THE RIGHT DENTURIST!!!!
Twenty-four hours after 'delivering' a properly made partial with only one adjustment visit, I was EATING.

That first guy was SO bad at what he does, put me through SUCH misery. OK the surgery was rough, that's because the torus on the right was HUGE and required a lot of healing. That done, the new impressions were effortless, quick and comfortable to have done, the partial was ready the next day. Sure, it felt ~strange~ at first, but more like a GOOD fitting-pair of shoes after having been barefoot for so long. With Just a few minor adjustments YESTERDAY not only did I walk out just GRINNING, I came home and dove into a bowl of pasta salad (yeah, OK, not tearing the hide off a caribou just yet) but I could CHEW with the teeth IN.

Only now with the stress LIFTING do I realize how HUGE the stress of all this has been. No WONDER I couldn't get my energy back!!

Talk about being on one of those Dismal Denial Diets......if you want to look 'normal' you can't eat a thing. If you want to EAT, you have to go home. If you go home, you're not WORKING....etc etc etc.

And don't think for a moment that I'm not complaining loud and long about that first guy.

But I was looking at the BEFORE before photo. When I HAD the teeth all loose and crooked that actually made me AFRAID to eat....I'm glad I have that photo. And I have plenty of photos WITHOUT the teeth. Sometimes I could make it hilarious, other times you can see in my eyes that it was anything BUT hilarious. Photos with the first denture looked 'repaired', but YESTERDAY.....wow. BETTER than new.

I still have a ways to go yet. I need to have a crown done and THEN the GoodGuy denturist will build a metal-frame denture that will anchor to that crown in a way that will make it even more stable. But for now, I am SMILING again and that feels GOOD.
LadyBeeeee

[LadyB]

Alright, alright, got a LITTLE "Not So Fast" goin' on here, but it's of VALUE. Seems that a wee sliver of bone somehow got loose and began to get all busy working its way OUT through the inside surface of my gum. For all the gum-growing work I was doing, this just WOULDN'T completely heal. I DID wear my 'pretty teeth' all day Saturday, worked at the plant nursery, smiling and talking and I ate my pasta salad lunch joyfully, feeling ALLLL back together again.

But near the end of the day, I had some ISSUES on the right side. Kind of jaw-aching issues. Hmmmm.

When I took the teeth out when I got home, that 'spot' was in a MAJOR uproar. Beans.

So the Denturist looked at it and felt it on Tuesday and said he suspected there might be a tiny bit of bone causing the problem. I went back in today and the same dental surgeon who did my surgery took a look and sure enough, cleanly and PAINLESSLY pulled this bit of bone out saying that everything's fine, just the surface of my skin looks a bit like hamburger from the bone cutting into it, so it's SKIN HEALING time again.

I'm ON it.....

So I figured I'd give Matthew's suggestion a try and slapped a very clean piece of Plantain Leaf on. It won't stay. My tongue is 'trained' to get things OUT from under it, especially that far back. Kind of funny. But I tried. Wish I'd made some plantain oil earlier. So I dabbed just a touch of comfrey oil on it and I'm sure it will heal up in record time. I'll be careful while it's closing, be all over RINSING every chance I get, and get ONNNN with the SMILING!!!

BTW, I'm aware of the 'typo' in the title and I'm leaving it, as it makes perfect sense...loosening and losing.....

Here's to a Grinnin' Good Summer!!
LadyB

[organicmama]

what an ordeal Lady B. You always make topics so interesting.