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replacing lanolin w/ glycerine or just use mango butter

Postby yellow » Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:02 pm

I'm making a skin cream for my aunt using Rosemary's cream recipe and don't want to use lanolin. I have vegetable glycerine and wondered if I could use some of that instead. For the "solid" oil, I'm using Mango butter instead of Cocoa butter so maybe I don't need either.

Anyone have experience with these ingredients?
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Re: replacing lanolin w/ glycerine or just use mango butter

Postby edensong » Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:22 am

Hi yellow,
It's been awhile since I've been here, but I'll just jump in and respond. You could certainly try the glycerin. It's only calls for a small amount, so you could just up your mango.
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Re: replacing lanolin w/ glycerine or just use mango butter

Postby Bella Boares » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:45 am

It depends on what you want to make, exactly...

If you want to make a cream in which lanolin was ment to be the emulsifier, you can't replace it with glycerin.
Glycerin is hydrophile and lanolin is lipophile. And glycerin isn't an emulsifier; lanlolin is a little bit but there are better ones.
So if you want to make a cream, I'd just leave the lanlin out and use a good, vegetable-based emulsifier.

If you're using a butter instead of an oil remember it will come out much more solid. I wouldn't use butters in a cream, they tend to go grainy if not used properly.
Maybe you could post the original recipe here so we could see what you may or may not be able to replace?
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Re: replacing lanolin w/ glycerine or just use mango butter

Postby yellow » Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:12 am

This is Rosemary Gladstar's skin cream recipe. It calls for

"waters"
2/3 C distilled water
1/3 C aloe vera gel
Vit A & E as desired

"oils"
3/4 C appricot oil (or other liquid oil)
1/3 C Coconut oil or cocoa butter (or other solid oil)
1/4 tsp lanolin
1/2 - 1 ounce grated beeswax

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I'm replacing the solid oil with Mango butter and the liquid oil with wheat germ oil and some of my other herbal infused oils (keeping the proportions of oil to water the same). I ended up having to go to town yesterday and went ahead and got lanolin so I could use it. But it's still an interesting question to me, the replacement of lanolin. I just found this:

http://www.aromantic.co.uk/Base-Emulsifier.htm
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Re: replacing lanolin w/ glycerine or just use mango butter

Postby Sashamarts » Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:41 pm

i always just use baking soda as an emulsifier
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Re: replacing lanolin w/ glycerine or just use mango butter

Postby edensong » Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:48 pm

Baking soda is a pH stabilizer and thickener, but I don't believe it's an emulsifier.

I think perhaps Bella missed that you mentioned you were using Rosemary's recipe, which only calls for 1/4 tsp lanolin. I don't care for lanolin and use lecithin as my emulsifier. In this particular recipe, I think upping the mango would work. It's 42% stearic acid and 46% oleic.
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Re: replacing lanolin w/ glycerine or just use mango butter

Postby yellow » Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:31 am

I"m going to make several test batches as soon as the Mango Butter arrives. It'll be about 5 more weeks before my infused oils are ready, so I'll play with Rosemary's recipe with and without the lanolin to see how I like it.
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Postby edensong » Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:35 am

yellow, I forgot to mention that wheat germ oil is a LOT heavier than apricot kernel oil. It also has a distinctive odor. I use it much like Vit E and only add a bit to my creams. AKO is a great oil to use and highly recommend it.
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Re: replacing lanolin w/ glycerine or just use mango butter

Postby yellow » Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:43 am

AKO?
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Re: replacing lanolin w/ glycerine or just use mango butter

Postby edensong » Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:21 pm

AKO = apricot kernel oil
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Re: replacing lanolin w/ glycerine or just use mango butter

Postby Sashamarts » Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:01 pm

darn, i can't think of which book i read about baking soda in, but the book has a list of substitutes for what's listed in the receipes. anyway, it works as an emulsifier in the lotions i make, i don't have any lecithin or lanolin, i'm on a very tight budget. i make a simple cold cream with beeswax, olive oil, water and essential oils and baking soda, and it doesn't separate. i always thought glycerine would sub for the beeswax? but i've not tried it..
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Re: replacing lanolin w/ glycerine or just use mango butter

Postby yellow » Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:14 pm

That is an awesome bit of info. I'll look into that more. Thanks everybody!
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Re: replacing lanolin w/ glycerine or just use mango butter

Postby edensong » Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:04 pm

You can absolutely make a cold cream with beeswax, olive oil, water, essential oils and baking soda, but the baking soda is acting as a pH stabilizer and thickener. It might have been suggested as a sub, but it's not an emulsifier. Are you sure you're not thinking of borax?

Glycerin is a humectant (absorbs water from the air). By itself it's not an effective emulsifier.

Beeswax is an emollient and acts as a barrier, yet it is non-comedogenic. It also works as an emulsifier, but not as effectively alone. It's best as a co-emulsifier.

Lecithin is a stand-alone emulsifier, if you learn how to use it, which takes some practice. It can be used as a co-emulsifier.

In Rosemary's recipe the lanolin and beeswax are working together as emulsifiers.
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Re: replacing lanolin w/ glycerine or just use mango butter

Postby yellow » Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:26 pm

How amazing that you know so much of the technical side. Is there a good book you could recommend?
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Re: replacing lanolin w/ glycerine or just use mango butter

Postby edensong » Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:50 pm

yellow, I've been formulating for a few decades and do a lot of research to keep up with new developments.

There are so many books out there, but a lot of them have misinformation. Most of my information is from technical books and manuals.
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