honeysuckle and forsythia tincture

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honeysuckle and forsythia tincture

Postby wandering mamma » Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:52 am

Tow springs ago I had terrible seasonal allergies upon moving to southern Oregon (no longer there). I suffered for a couple months, trying various things, nothing worked (I've had allergies since age of seven). When it got very dry around june, july, I developed a nasty cough. My friend gave me some honeysuckle/forsythia tincture that she received from a chinese herbalist. She said it was really good for a deep seated cough. I took it, and the cough went away, but the most amazing thing is that it also reduced my allergy symptoms to none!
I have been trying to find information on these herbs, to see if they are specific to rhinal allergies, but haven't been able to find much information about these herbs.
Hopefully someone here knows more, or can direct me to a very good resource.

I also have not been able to find these tinctures in stores.

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Postby desertmedicinewoman » Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:52 pm

here's a bit i got an email about honeysuckle ( lonicera)

Gail Farquhar on the herb list feb 2006

Japanese honeysuckle is a strong antimicrobial, proven experimentally to
be effective against a wide range of organisms including Salmonella
typhi, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Staphylococcus aureus, Streptococcus
hemolyticus, Diplococcus pneumoniae, Staphylococcus pneumoniae and
Mycobacterium tuberculosis; some really nasty bugs that are increasingly
becoming resistant to most or all of the antibiotics conventional
medicine has to offer. Extracts of the plant have also been shown to be
antiviral against the respiratory syncytial virus in vitro and to lower
serum cholesterol levels in experimental rats as well as to stimulate
leukocytic phagocytosis and phagocytic activity of inflammatory cells,
indicating an immunostimulant effect. Chinese hospitals use an
injectible extract of the flowers for various infections, including
pneumonia in children and a tincture of 1,000 grams of the dried flowers
soaked in 1,500 ml. of 40% alcohol for 48 hours, then decocted down to
400 ml. and poulticed on cervical ulcers for 7-12 days with marked
success. Extracts of the plant have also been used in China to treat
some tumors, including breast cancer, with some degree of success. A
sterile isotonic eyewash of the flowers may be used for conjunctivitis
and a decoction may be used as a wash or poultice for various external
infections or as a douche for vaginal infections. Stems and leaves of
the plant may be used in a similar fashion and as an adjunct to the
treatment of rheumatoid arthritis. A decoction of 30 grams of the dried
stems and leaves or 90 grams of the fresh is drunk instead of tea as a
remedy for the common cold in China; one study has shown positive
results from the use of a strong decoction of stems and leaves for the
treatment of an unknown type of infectious hepatitis; another study has
shown good results when using a compound of Lonicera japonica,
Ophiopogon japonicus and Astragalus membranaceus for the treatment of
viral endocarditis and yet another has proven a cytoprotective effect on
hydrogen peroxide induced cell injury. This is definitely a plant to
consider when faced with an infection, internal or external, that is not
responding well to conventional antibiotics.

Constituents: Tannins; saponins; flavonoids, including ochnaflavone;
monoterpenoids, triterpenoids and sesquiterpenoids including linalool,
geraniol, aromadendrene, eugenol; loniceroside A and B; protocatechuic
acid; methyl caffeate; 3,4-di-O-caffeoylquinic acid; methyl
3,4-di-O-caffeoylquinic acid; methyl chlorogenic acid; luteolin and
luteolin-7-rhamnoglucoside; inositol; HCN (hydrogen cyanide); lineoleic
and lineolenic acids; loganin; myristic acid.

Collecting: Find a good stand of honeysuckle, well off the road and away
from toxic dumps and other hazards and pick as many about-to-open
flowers as you need. As the flowers tend to open sequentially we usually
settle for bunches that have some flowers open but the majority still
closed as it simply isn't worth the effort it would take to collect only
unopened flowers. If it's the stems/leaves you want simply gather
whatever you need, taking the less tangled ends just to make life
easier. Dry well as the flowers do have a tendency to mold if not well

Preparation: It takes a LOT of honeysuckle make an effective dose, so a
strong decoction is probably the best method to use. The traditional
Chinese dosage is 9-15 grams/day, which, given the weight of the flowers
we have dried, works out to 2 TABLESPOONS of dried flowers three times a
day. Feel free to weigh what you gather as this may vary. While the
traditional Chinese method of preparation involves a rather lengthy
boiling, typical of much Chinese herbal preparation methodology, a
simple decoction should be as effective.
May also tincture flowers, fresh at 1:2, dried at 1:5 50% alcohol

Dosage: Flowers 9-15 grams a day, leaves/stems 9-30 grams a day, in
divided doses. See text for additional details. Flower tincture 30-60
drops to 3 times a day.

Contraindications: None known. The flowers are considered to be a "food"
in the Orient

WARNING: Do NOT consume the berries of this plant as they will cause
severe gastric distress. While the berries are listed as toxic the
authors have found no references to deaths caused by consuming them.
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Postby wildflowerpower » Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:10 pm

Very exciting for you!

One thing to keep in mind, however, is that japanese honeysuckle is considered an invasive plant in many parts of the midwest. It crowds out native plants.

But that doesn't mean one can't use what's already growing!
When a flower grows wild, it can always survive. Wildflowers don't care where they grow.

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Postby cory su » Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:20 pm


forsythia is good for sore throat.
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Postby wandering mamma » Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:27 pm

Thanks everyone.
It could be, considering the strong antimicrobial properties, that I needed to clear a lingering allergy related cold.
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