Break and exit, loosing teeth, getting dentures

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Postby LadyB » Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:27 am

Dateline....MANY months later.....

I waited ALMOST the full FOUR MONTHS to get in at quarter to 8 in the morning to see one of only 3 periodontists in our whole area. A week before the appt in Dec, I injured my arm and KNEW I wouldn't be able to work for quite some time. I cancelled the apt, I couldn't afford it (or whatever grandly expensive procedures he was going to come up with)

I just struggled along on my own.....my stress level was OFF the charts, both from being injured and in pain every day for months (fierce tendonitis in my right arm) being VERY cold (farmhouse with only a woodstove that I wasn't getting on with very well) and faltering job possibilities from the injury, my DISTANCE from everything with gas prices soaring, and winter weather even here. I have since moved, too.

Lots of excuses, eh?

My four lower front teeth became more and more and more loose. Frighteningly so. I was beginning to eat more slowly and carefully for having banged a very loose lower on one of my uppers more than once and just seeing STARS from the pain and horror. Because I was no longer USING those front teeth (I'd use my right canines to bite things) those teeth kept GROWING and would, at times, hit the roof of my mouth. I was becoming truly miserable.

It got so unbearable, I was so dreading eating at all, that I finally went to a denture place for a free consult. I was HORRIFIED at the entire concept. Completely and utterly HORRIFIED.

That was Wednesday. They explained they could extract the teeth and put in a temporary (3 month) flexible bridge IMMEDIATELY and they helped arrange a 5-year payment plan at 12% interest. The next day I went in for impressions (with TERRORS that pulling out the putty would also pull out the teeth, that's how LOOSE they'd become).

Today I had the teeth OUT. :shock: DOING it was nowhere near as horrifying as imagining it. It literally took less than one minute to pop them all out. (fussing with the Novocaine took lots longer) I honestly felt relief. I did NOT have the bridge put in immediately as they need TWO days to create the bridge from the impressions and we have a weekend going here. I COULD have had the impressions done on Wednesday, but I had an Herb Class to teach on Thursday and my horror at losing a tooth in the impressions had me postponing. Then schedules were jammed for them and the only way we could get this project GOING was to do the impressions on Thursday anyway. So I have the weekend (and a dance class to give) WITHOUT them.

But that feels right. I need to get USED to me.
This is what, Break and EXIT?......a sub-step of six?

Zillions of folks have bridges and dentures and I'm not aware of who they are, so it must be DOABLE. I realize that this may seem like a very NON WISE WOMAN approach. But as Susun points out in the Six Steps of Healing, you give each step a logical amount of time before you go on to the next one. These teeth were just too far gone. This chapter is part of my story. (as is a hysterectomy 11 years ago when I could no longer manage life-threatening hemorrhages from massive fibroids)

Wise Woman Ways kicked right in for healing from the extractions. Arnica beads IN WATER and administered with a dropper - made a HUGE difference in the trauma of it all. St J's OIL rubbed on the outside of my face to calm the nerves. Comfrey decoction/syrup by the spoonful to heal the gums, and a new way to use Slippery Elm -- just touching the dry powder to any sore spot (like on the tongue). It's quite amazing. It stays put and the relief is nearly instant.

There are lots of theories as to WHY these teeth gave out. One dentist noted that SOME folks have salivary glands that just squirt acid right onto the backs of THESE teeth and the calculus build-up is just ENDLESS. I read that the severe anemia I suffered before the hysterectomy can contribute to such things as I'm sure many years of an inflammatory disease like Lyme disease did too. Yeah, LOTS of excuses and NOT getting a proper, professional cleaning every six months.

Then there's genetics.
One of the best parts of this was moaning to my 85 year old aunt about all this and having her laugh and say that my Great Grandmother used to pop her false teeth out all the time. I asked her if it was funny, or HORRIFYING and she reached back all those years and said it was HILARIOUS. She'd do it just to make the grandkids laugh. Guess I have something to live up to.

I do feel SO much better. This dentist said that with the teeth goes the infection. What the gums and bones are doing is a RESPONSE to the infection that lives ON the teeth. Now I feel like I can take care of the rest of my teeth better. My jaw was also getting all out of line trying to keep the too-tall teeth from hitting my upper teeth and the roof of my mouth. My head feels more balanced with my jaw straight.

So take care of your teeth, people! This was not the most fun I've had on a Friday and I'm going to be in debt for a good, long time, but it was the right choice for me right now.
LadyB :| keepin' her mouth CLOSED this weekend
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Postby vismaya » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:33 pm

fluorite chinese gemstone is great for healthy teeth and gums

and echinechea rinse couple drops in water rinse with after brushin
isop tooth powder white at health food store used when

needed this
teeth stuff stems as well from stress so
chysocholla gemstone excellent anti stress stone

and lemurina quartz
peace
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Postby amberdakota » Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:09 pm

Lady B, I'm sorry you had to have your teeth pulled, but I am glad you are doing better, and that it was a good decision for you. You've really been through the works with this, and I hope it all calms down for you soon! :)
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Postby LadyB » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:03 am

Thanks, amberdakota, appreciate it.

I've had something of a metamorphosis of a weekend. I totally accepted that scheduling was going to prevent me from having 'new teeth' for the entire weekend. Somehow that felt right. I need to get used to ME without those teeth.

Along with it not taking long to become hilarious, (hey, I'm now an upside down vampire!) I was shocked at how OK I am with it.

And part of that was because now that they're gone, now that my jaw is STRAIGHT again, now that I don't live with that daily low-grade hum of FEAR that they're going to shift or I'm going to hit one and knock it out, I can't TELL you how much better I feel.

And FOOD. This all came on so gradually over such a long time that I didn't realize that I was losing my joy in eating. I actually dreaded eating.
I'm getting the first bridge this morning, but with spectacular healing (thank you, Comfrey) I had a REAL MEAL last night. Fresh veggies, crunchy yellow peppers, pasta with MORE sauteed veggies. WHAT I was eating wasn't nearly as important as that the FEAR was gone. I feel GREAT.

I'd like this to be the ONLY bridge I ever get. I am REALLY going to pay attention to the rest of my teeth. There are lots of reasons why these four may have been a lost cause, but I'm going to keep the rest strong and healthy if I possibly can.

A friend brought up the notion of gum massage DAILY to keep the gums and jawbones healthy. (Index finger on the outside, thumb on the inside and RUB gently) Something about THAT makes a lot of sense. And WATCH those waterpics. Shooting the stream of water directly DOWN between gums and teeth will make matters FAR worse.

These teeth....they're how we FEED ourselves. They carry our smiles. They're really important. And mine have changed.

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Postby LadyB » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:00 pm

Ohhhhhh boy.
While the weekend felt like running around in bare feet, I'm now in a brand new pair of SHOES (so to speak)

For the most part the 'partial denture' is pretty comfortable, except when I lick my bottom lip (which I tend to do a lot) and I THINK it might be bugging the understide of my tongue. But part of it is over the smallest TORI (strange extra bony growths) that live beneath my tongue. It will take awhile to figure out if it's BUGGING the tori or not. Once the skin over the growth is agitated, it HURTS. I noted the tori aggravation and he made some adjustments, but that doesn't make the pain go away.

I can talk ok, and the bottom teeth aren't perfectly straight which is nice, they don't look QUITE so 'fake' as ones that are just TOOOO perfect.

They also added a 'missing' molar I had pulled nearly a year ago that I wasn't aware was going to happen. At first it threw my whole bite off and I was crazed. That was the best part of having the front teeth GONE, my BITE was even again. He adjusted that and it's ok now.

I just can't imagine that everything and its grandparents isn't going to get stuck UNDER it. This is weird. I'm not feeling QUITE as fearless about EATING as I was yesterday. I'll DEAL.

While this was, at this time, the RIGHT decision for me, do try to AVOID this, folks. Your OWN teeth are nice things to KEEP.

I go back in now on Thursday to have the stitches removed and have everything adjusted. Then down the road (when I get a crown done) we'll work on the permanent metal 'partial'.

SIGH
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Postby Irisrose » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:42 am

Thanks for being so brave and OPEN about speaking about your experience, Lady B

Why not eat without the 'partial'...it seems like you were enjoying your food so much without it.

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Postby LadyB » Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:20 am

Irisrose, that's EXACTLY what I wound up doing, but it's not an OK scenario for the long run. I was supposed to get a VALPLAST partial and got a rigid acrylic one instead. I think that was a total mistake (now that I've researched the Valplast ones http://www.valplast.com/ ) With the tori in the bottom of my mouth I just don't see how a rigid one is EVER going to be OK, so I'll be calling tomorrow to ask that they correct the mistake and give me the partial that I was supposed to get.

I COULD have the tori removed, but that's a whole 'nother surgical procedure......argh.

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Postby Narayani » Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:18 am

Oh my. What a proceedure to have to face. I have had only minor dental work and I quaked a losing just one tooth. It really is a physical and mental adjustment.

Sending you comfort and acceptance. I hope you get the best fit for your bridge and nice pink healthy gums.
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Postby LadyB » Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:26 pm

HOPEFULLY, this was all just mis-communication. The acrylic partial was a TEMPORARY temporary and the ValPlast SHOULD be ready on Thursday when I go in to have the stitches out..... :roll:

So GOOD thing I got ok without them, 'cause I've got two more days to go.

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Postby LadyB » Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:22 pm

Ah well and MORE surprises.....I wound up BACK in the rigid acrylic 'temporary' for TWO more weeks, and MISERABLE. It just wasn't comfortable and I absolutely CANNOT eat in it.

This kind of impacts one's life, needing to be HOME for every single meal/snack in order to REMOVE one's denture in ORDER to eat.

I have three more days before the ValPlast partial is ready (what, again?)

In all this time, I've thought A LOT about just how much I'm going to beat myself up over all this. Is this my FAULT because I didn't have ENOUGH expensive, professional technical interventions? (Little HEROIC, don'tchya think? "Bad girl, LadyB, you LOSE your teeth!) Am I in denial if I try to 'blame' it on genetics or the VERY severe stress of being truly ILL for years on end? While HINDSIGHT is usually 20/20 with clean lenses, I'm not getting much clarity on this.

I mean, it's rather the FOCUS of this thread. Are we incapable of caring for our own teeth without a professional dentist? It's sure been sobering to know that WITHOUT technical professionals, I'd be looking like Granny Clampet from the Beverly Hillbillies for the rest of my life. And if the teeth I lost KEPT me from eating, I'd be in HUGE trouble.

So yeah, this has been HUGE.

Does anyone else out there have TORI under their tongues? Matthew Wood is trying to put me in touch with one of his practitioner students who 'cured' a client of his tori with FALSE Solomon's Seal. I'll keep you posted if I get in touch with her. It would be fabulous to see these extra bony growths shrink....they make everything dental a wretched ordeal.
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Postby Leslie » Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:02 pm

Hey LadyB! I completely understand what you're going through and my heart goes out to you. It's awkward and painful. I had to have all my top teeth extracted by age 29 and most of my bottoms ( I only have 6 teeth left on the bottom and they will be coming out soon.) But my health improved dramatically without them. For all the expensive, heroic treatments I put myself through, such a root canals, I opted to have them removed in the end and got a full top plate and a partial bottom. They were not made "perfect" and straight and no where near white which makes them look all the more real.

Eating is totally different and took time to be comfortable with the partial, mostly due to the initial swelling of the gums from the teeth having been just removed. I have the rigid metal one with metal clasps that anchored them. The biggest problem I still have is the shifting/grinding against the teeth the partial is anchored to. I've since lost the anchor teeth so I'm telling my ortho dude, no more freakin' partials. I understand their reasoning behind getting partials or having implant surgury rather than a full bottom plate (bone atrophy is the main reason most ortho's give) but there are plenty of studies where if you get enough calcium, bone loss is minimal.

Even now, going out to eat takes some thought as I can't just bite into something. Most food items are eaten with a fork or pinched off into smaller bites with my fingers. This includes most fruit and veggies but also pizza and hamburgers. Temperature was difficult to judge in the beginning. Nothing like sipping a hot cup of coffee and burning one's throat. And taste... the loss of taste was hard to deal with. I use a lot more seasoning/spices/sweeteners than I did before. I've looked at the site you mentioned and the flexible partials... they seem to be awesome. Please let me know how they perform.
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Postby LadyB » Fri May 02, 2008 8:33 pm

Well dear, I never GOT to the 'flexible' partial. After being told REPEATEDLY that it was READY only to get down there and find it WASN'T, I finally went to the office and was told that they BLEW it. The ValPlast had a BUBBLE in the back and was useless. I was offered to either let them try again, which would take ANOTHER week, or accept a REFUND!!!!

At first I angrily told them to try again, as I had NO idea who else to START ALL OVER with, but I have since demanded ALL of my money back. They only want to give me $200 back (out of $800)

And start over I DID. With second and third opinions, I found out that this first guy should NEVER have even TRIED to create a partial over Tori the size of mine. It was doomed to be a failure.

I am now TWO months past the extraction and just had the tori surgically removed. NOT FUN, I ASSURE you. Because the biggest one was wrapped around my jawbone, it was a MAJOR excavation which really traumatized the floor of my mouth, so I have a good deal more healing to do than I'd expected. Now it may be MORE than another week with NO denture at all. We just can't take impressions until everything calms down. I'm using yarrow tincture for the hematoma where the biggest torus was, and hopefully I'll re-absorb that blood, (without the possible bruising/discoloration of my jaw and neck) and the underside of my tongue got pretty roughed up (looked like I was growing a second tongue, very interesting). But it's DONE. Now the new guys can make me a partial that just might actually be comfortable and that I HOPEFULLY will be able to EAT in.

Of course, right now, I can hardly eat anything. All has to be the consistency of pretty much applesauce. I did, however (necessity being the mother of brilliance YET AGAIN) invent the BEST recovery food! Slippery elm bark powder with honey mixed with applesauce AND plain yogurt. Wonderful. Filling, cool and goes down REAL easy.

This running around without my lower front teeth is so strange. I've spent so much time WITHOUT the first miserable partial denture that I FEEL pretty ok without them, but then I realize I'm out in public (or better yet TEACHING!!!) and I'm catching the little flashes of shock on some folks' faces. Sure find myself not wanting to break out in a grin.

Odd stigma to a woman without her front teeth.....not much I can do about it right now.

I have great hopes that these new folks will take good care of me and do things really well.

Thinkin' positive and eating hummus from a spoon :p
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Postby RinaWhiteStar » Sat May 03, 2008 9:54 am

:D as a varia in your diet ... Smoothies? ;) :)

easy to make,healthy and Nourishing and also... filling,cool and goes down Real Easy too :)
Can made aswell as with fruit as vegies...

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Postby LadyB » Sat May 03, 2008 10:10 am

Yes, my dear, smoothies have been a STAPLE of my diet for MANY months now. It's the ONLY THING I've been able to carry on gardening jobs with me. Got a special Smoothie Thermos for travelin'......

I did get some Scottish Oatmeal (not quite steel-cut, but more GROUND) into me, even did a little chewing.
The hematoma is already HALF the size it was yesterday, I've been spraying Yarrow tincture directly on it.
I'm just still truly WEARY......
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ps and JUST in case any of you are curious, this is what someone ELSE's tori look like. One of mine was even larger than this:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image ... -04-06.jpg
(watch, everybody just ran their tongues around the inside of their jaws)
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Postby cataway » Tue May 06, 2008 11:28 am

Wow! think I'm gonna stop kvetching about my root canal last week, I hate dental issues with a passion and totally hope thats the end of it for you. Magic bag seems to be helping me with my discomfort as well as plenty of sleep.
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